seminars and they try to take these guys through classes and give them all the heads up they can and educate them. in many instances it is just not enough. part of the problem here, bill is that these guys perform incredible athletic feats. so they feel indestructible and what they do on the field allows them to have that field because none of us could ever do any of this. they get out there and take the risks and they perform. well, that doesn't translate off the field because they're very vulnerable in a car or real life just like the rest of us. bill: the second monday morning in a row we're talking about a tragedy in the nfl. i saw a report that suggests 75% of nfl players own a gun and a few of them, seven reportedly turned their guns in over the past week. what do you know about that, jim? >> well the statistics are high. there have been players who have been followed. there are players who become targets because they have this money and they don't want to feel as though they can not protect themselves. so there probably is a much higher rate in the national football league. again i do